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David Benson Pope (aka Panty Slut Boy and smacker of school kids) is now fronting the Anti-Smacking Bill for Labour!

Posted by watchingcyfswatchnewzealand on April 19, 2007

As posted on CYFSWATCH NZ

David Benson Pope (aka Panty Slut Boy and smacker of school kids) is now fronting the Anti-Smacking Bill for Labour!
Wednesday, 18.04.2007, 07:39pm (GMT12)

Conversation with a journalist

Hack: Here’s another entry for your stupid file

DPF: Oh great I love them

Hack: Guess who the Government got to front up today on the smacking issue?

DPF: Helen’s overseas, so was it Steve “Fuck You” Maharey?

Hack: No it was Benson-Pope

DPF: Oh my God, you are joking

Hack: No. It’s just hysterical that the Government can’t see the irony.

DPF: Clark will be pissed off. She’s been keeping him hidden away. I mean how stupid can they get?

Hack: They used to be so much smarter than this. Their first two terms it was an almost flawless performance but it is now like lemmings. I mean Benson-Pope had the Police find a prima facae case regarding allegations he assaulted kids he taught, and they think he should front for the Government on this issue?

DPF: Plus as a teacher he used to administer corporal punishment

Hack: Yes, and of course the Investigate stuff.

DPF: Oh yes the unprintable. Even without that he is a very bad choice of someone to front up. With it, well it’s almost funny.

Hack: Maybe one could do an advertising campaign – “Don’t smack your kids unless they enjoy it”

DPF: Ha ha ha oh that is priceless. I so have to blog this conversation.

Hack: Don’t name me.

DPF: Never. It’s only MFAT who reveals what happens at secret meetings!

Hack: Yes, smacked by lunchtime!

Comments (91)

sonic:

I see the purile level of gossip amongst hacks has failed to improve lately.

You are still trying to push that Benson Pope story? I’d give it up David, that smear is dead, no-one serious will ever touch it with a 10ft bargepole.

PaulL:

Which smear is that sonic? I thought everyone in NZ had accepted that DBP was into bondage – it was hard to miss.

Inventory2:

Oh Sonic, Sonic, Sonic

Surely, even YOU can see the irony here. Benson-Pope, found by the police to have a prima-facie case established on allegations he assaulted students in his care (not even his own children, for goodness sake!!) is now the public face for the Government on the S59 issue.
Now remind me, the S59 repeal is about adults not beating, thrashing, abusing or smaking children – hmmmmmmmmm

sonic:

Sorry inventory, I keep up with the news but I do not remember his charge or his being convicted.

You do know what prima-facie means don’t you?

Linda Wright:

Yeah sonic – it means we believe he did it and we believe we have the evidence to prove it in court.

burt:

Linda Wright

Well that is what it normally means – but for Labour MP’s it means that there is no case to answer. I can see why sonic is confused… Clearly he thinks this kind of perversion of justice is a good thing – as long as it’s his precious bully boy’s and girls that are being protected.

sonic:

I would suggest some of you look up the word prima-facie.

x

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burt:

I found it in the Labour cabinet manual:

Something to be ignored – a nonsense. A legal position that like most laws is to be ignored by Labour MP’s.

There is also a footnote – Prima-Facie is always followed by “Move on”.

DavidP:

It’s like having Hannibal Lector front your campaign promoting vegetarianism.

Or having Al Gore ask people to use less energy.

sonic:

Or having the National Party leader complain about poverty?

Tsh, boom!

Inventory2:

Sonic’s being obtuse again! The police investigation into Benson-Pope’s conduct as a teacher found that there was evidence that the ALLEGED assaults had occurred. However the Police, in their infinite wisdom, decided not to prosecute, citing the length of time that had passed since the ALLEGED assaults.

Also, what Sonic chooses to ignore is B-P’s conflicting comments to the House – firstly, that he has NEVER been the subject of a complaint by a pupil, later retracted when there was overwhelming evidence that complaints about his conduct had been lodged. Prima-facie evidence of having misled Parliament, but the Speaker, in her infinite wisdom, decided not to refer the matter to the Privileges Committee.

burt:

sonic is a blog-bot. This script automatically posts random denigrations of National.

RE: “Or having the National Party leader complain about poverty?”

Yes sonic, it’s called being in touch with reality – something that being a Labour supporter you would have trouble understanding. Key was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth, this fact must be a big problem to Labour – it shouldn’t be, it wouldn’t be if they were actually concerned about NZ rather than simply being concerened about the polls.

seagullz:

Your hack’s line about ‘don’t smack unless they enjoy’ just so cries out (in an enjoyifying way, of course) for a quick Photoshop session or a quick clip to YouTube. Picture, thousand words, fish, barrel, shoot.

Ross Miller:

No Sonic … he didn’t complain … just highlighted the fact that 7.5 years into Labour’s stewardship it remains a problem; got off his butt and did something and had your mob wax hysterical that poverty was a figment of the Tory imagination.

Perhaps one is entitled to ask then why is there a food bank in my town?

But back to the point of the thread. How is that that an administration that was once so sure-footed in managing the media can now not only shoot itself in the foot but seemingly fail to notice the gangrenous nature of the wound?

tim barclay:

Sonic Since when did the Labour Party care about poverty except to keep people there so its vote thrives on people having their oncome frozen with welfare top-ups.

dimebag:

i almost choked (excuse the pun) when i saw panty slut boy talkin about this bill HAHAHAHAHA

what the fuck were labour thinking?

did cullen let the gimp out of the cage while mistress helen was away??

there are some nice mental images for you people haha

Whaleoil:

Frank, a smear is a smear when it is false, as Panty Slut-Boy has not refuted any of the so called “smears” is almost enough proof, the fact he ahsn’t sued Ian Wishart is even more compelling.

sonic:

Is that right Cameron? You do know who was Mr Wishart’s source for that story? you do know no paper in the country would touch it don’t you Cammy?

Oh did no-one tell you?

oops.

David Farrar:

Actually both the ODT and the NZ Herald ran stories on it.

sonic:

You know the source David, why not enlighten Mr Whale Oil?

Dime:

i love the difference between the right and the left..

if someone fucks up on the right, we admit it. fix it. move on. (think ACT! with that theiving MP of theres).

if someone on the left gets busted – their lunatic fanbase just scream for months on end how it isnt true…

and in this case try and compare panty slut boy TIEING kids up in class to john key being rich and thinking of the boy HAHAHAHAHAHA

i should say – nothing wrong with BDSM, dimes a huge fan.. but when it carries over to your work its a bit dodgy.. even more dodgy if you are practicing on kids… and then even MORE dodgy when you want to make it illegal for parents to bring their kids up how they want..

burt:

sonic is shot down in flames again…

I’m starting to think sonic and DB-P are the same person.

Sam Dixon:

Now David is making up imaginary conversations as a punditary tool. Awesome.

james cairney:

David, why do you persist with shit like this?

Yes, DBP is a stupid choice to front this, and it is funny, but raising the attempted Investigate smear? Do you really want to be perceived as a creep with no credibility such as Wishart, do you really want to be part of the lowering of the standard?

the reason Wishart’s garbage is left alone by every credible source, is because they wish to remain credible.

It waters down your credibility when you (rightly) complain of smears from the likes of Mallard. Think about it.

dimebag:

my post should of read:

key thinking of the POOR.. not boy.. shit, maybe i have issues?? *cries*

an edit feature would be nice heh

David:

Credibility and personal attacks

Isn’t it funny how Labour like to attack people personally and loose credibility yet have been in government for 3 terms.

National does not attack people personally (generally)and tries to maintain their credibility. The go home at the end of the day and think to themselves, what fine upstanding people we are. Achieved 3 terms in opposition

National needs to get a spine

sonic:

“National does not attack people personally”

Right, sure. You did read the article we are discussing didn’t you?

Anon:

Sonic – forget the police findings of a prima facie case and also the investigate trash. At the very least he is a former teacher who has said he regularly used the cane on students (and now says he regrets it). This does make it somewhat odd that he would front for the govt on this issue, when the govt says it wants (at least) to stop the use of instruments in physical punishment. Someone else would surely have been available with a bit more credibility in condemning violence against children.

burt:

Anon

Why would labour try to be credible with this issue, they have Jolly Jim in charge of suicide prevention….

sonic:

“he is a former teacher who has said he regularly used the cane on students (and now says he regrets it)”

Which I would think would make him well qualified to talk on the issue.

If he had not been put forward (as he is next in line) I’m sure Mr Farrar and others would have been gleefully pointing out that “even the government does not trust DBP to front up on this issue, lol”

So lets not pretend this is anything but spin.

TomS:

David Farrar, the facile feeding the puerile.

PaulL:

Sonic, do you know what prima-facie means?

To provide the first few google hits:

Wikipedia “used in common law jurisdictions to denote evidence that is sufficient, if not rebutted, to prove a particular proposition or fact.”

Lectric Law Library “Evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish the fact in question unless rebutted.”

Tiscali “‘at first sight’; on the face of it; enough to cause fact to be presumed true.”

law.cornell.edu “A prima facie case presents enough evidence for the plaintiff to win the case barring any defenses or additional evidence presented by the defendant.”

What exactly is your point here?

Anon:

Sonic – if Nanaia Mahuta as Youth Affairs Minister had issued exactly the same statement then we wouldn’t be talking about this here. That’s all the point is of DPF’s post. It’s not a big, major important point, but this very discussion shows it is valid in terms of indicating a political misstep by the Government. It is not as big a misstep as Brash walking the plank but surely you can accept someone else may have been better in closing the issue down for the Government – or is your tactical political judgement getting as poor as the Beehive’s?

sonic:

Paul, do any of those definitions add up to “guilty”?

Thought not.

sonic:

Well lets remember the last tactical triumph over DBP, when Both Rodney Hide and National’s Judith Collins used Parliamentary privilege to call Benson Pope a “pervert”. Hide also called him a “dirty old man”

Perhaps hoping National will over-reach again?

Peter S:

Forgive me, I can’t remember exactly who posted the comment, it has been done SO many times-

“If Don Brash is innocent, how come he has not sued Nicky Hager?”- or words to that effect.

If Benson Pope is so innocent, how come he has not sued Investigate?

Sauce goose, spice gander.

At least Brash is on record as having denied the accusations against him

I have wondered a couple of times in the past if sonic is actually DBP, or at least a playmate of DBP, because sometimes his trolling and attempts to defend the indefensible are such an overt invitation for the bloggers equivalent of a good spanking, that I have to wonder if there are some masochistic tendencies on display.

Peter S:

sonic,

the pervert & dirty old man retractions came before the investigate articles.

One has to wonder if the statements would have been retracted if those stories had been public knowledge.

Anon:

Sonic – you say:

“Well lets remember the last tactical triumph over DBP, when Both Rodney Hide and National’s Judith Collins used Parliamentary privilege to call Benson Pope a “pervert”. Hide also called him a “dirty old man”. Perhaps hoping National will over-reach again?”

Sure, everyone remembers that fuck up from Collins and Hide but you’ll notice both have learned from it and have changed their political styles since. And I am sure you are hoping National will over-reach. Great. So what?

PaulL:

Sonic, you are being deliberately slow. Inventory said “the police established a prima facie case”. You said “you do know what prima facie means don’t you.”

Prima facie means that the case is so solid that we can take it as fact in the absence of rebuttal. The police never laid charges despite believing they would win. DBP has never rebutted those allegations.

To now say that it never happened because he wasn’t found guilty is a bit disingenuous. I think you are wilfully ignoring DPF’s point – he was a really bad choice as spokesperson, and it is funny.

Linda Wright:

Sonic – did DFP say he was guilty? No. He said there was prima-facie case.

Then you start questioning what prima-facie means… now you imply DFP said guilty.

You must be really worried if you have to resort to such lame tatics.

Murray:

Being defended by Chronic is like having the French army get your back.

Mike H:

Conversation with a National Party Blogger

Blogger: I’m a worthless disgusting little creature

Me: Why do you way that?

Blogger: My party and it’s arguments are so pathethic I make up imaginary conversations to try and defend them

Me: Wow that is sad. Ha ha ha oh what a loser.

Blogger: Ha ha ha oh I’m a cretinous poisonous little dwarf.

Me: You’re also bald.

Blogger: Ha ha ha oh I’m also bald. Please don’t tell anyone I pull all the stuff on my site straight out of my ass.

Me: Well youre a national party man from way back and you know what the price of silence is.

Blogger: (Gentle sucking sounds)

David Farrar:

What went down badly with quite a few people isn’t just DBP fronting on this issue, but having the gall to attack John Key as being soft on child abuse.

Pot, kettle black comes to mind.

ChickenLittle:

Frankly Murray, I think you should go back to good old Israel, with your dog Benji, for talking about my good chum Sonic like that.

John Dalley:

Anon. They both have learned from it.

What utter rubbish, Judith Collins used the exact word that she intended to use. Rodney Hides was as equally calculated.
No slip of the tounge occured.

And as for DBP and his caning of kids whats your problem, thats’ was the ways of the time. No woman teacher caned kids though i was given some pretty good wacks with the old barbers strap or a wooden ruler across theknuckles by woman teachers, there is a number of half wits blogging on this sight who could do with a few wacks across the backside to get some sense into them. Thats’ mostly were they keep their brains.

Trog:

DPF: DBP stated that the select committee was the place for making a contribution and that John Key needed to come up with some constructive specifics rather than continue to politicise the issue.

Smack’em’down’with’a’Feather:

Conversation with Panty Slut Boy:

DBP: Aye, slap and tickle, hey dude… I reckon you should give me a GOOD SPANKING?

Mate: Anything to help a friend feel orgasmic.

[2 hours later]

DBP: Now, about those instructions from Labour HQ, to inform the masses about spanking abuse… how do I spin this one down the creek?

Mate: Yep, you got it, those pillocks wouldn’t know one side of a responsible smack if it hit them in the face!

DBP: Ah shucks, never mind, let’s get back to our roleplay… where’s a tennis ball or two when you need it?

sonic:

It’s been a while, but i think I’m going to add a new poster to my ignore list, it’s in his own interests as he is getting over-obsessed.

Chicken Little

Plunk.

side show bob:

The repeal of section 59 has united the country in anger and loathing at the social engineering been forced upon them. Prehaps the 9th floor has decided to throw panty slut boy to the lions. Why not let PSB take some heat, I doubt he is seen as nothing more then a play thing by the matriarchs living on the 9th floor. If the numbers stack up this bill will pass and I doubt if anyone on the 9th floor wants to talk about compromise, enter PSB.

tim barclay:

What is getting under Labour’s skin is they are only 50 votes the same as National and Act. The other 11 votes are up for discussion. And in that mix are the Greens who cannot be counted on to always support Labour. Let us get one thing clear – Green policies will hurt the poor because they are expensive. The Labour Party know that and quietly do nothing hoping the Greens will not notice.

sonic:

“The repeal of section 59 has united the country in anger and loathing”

Yes we saw that in the demonstration turnout!

burt:

I think sonic and DB-P are the same person. Remember DB-P on TV walking on the beach with his wife and kids – telling the world what a wholesome family man he was…. then later we find out he’s a deviant of the highest order.

Yet sonic **forgets** all that and defends him as being honest and principaled….

Oh dear oh dear…

Rumpole:

James

Was it the Dom Post or Herald that incorrectly reported on the split between one of the police officers and his wife in the recent rape cases that was later found to be false – they had not even asked her!If this is an example of MSM credibilty then Wisharts credibility is impressive given DBP neither denied the alleagtion or sued for defamation.

ChickenLittle:

come on Sonic, I was defending you. Why the nastiness?

sonic:

Mr Little, plunk means goodbye, I shall no longer even read your posts never mind respond to them.

Go get a new target for your paranoid ravings.

ChickenLittle:

Burt – Watch it you’ll end up on the list.

plunk, don’t you know?

Murray:

Go back to Israel?

Care to explain yourself?

ChickenLittle:

Sonic/good old Israel/Benji/Frank

Paranoid ravings indeed –

Yesterday you had this to say –

‘even making up strange pet names for them’

to which I asked the question –

Sonic – Have you ever posted as Good old Israel?

Now conveneintly I’m on your list. Horrible being caught out in a lie ain’t it Sonic?
I have followed your trail of destruction around this wonderful tool called the internet Sonic/good old Israel/Benji/Frank and I must say you are a horrible little character really aren’t you?

Do you really think you can continue this charade forever?

Murray – Sorry I was trying to be funny using names that Sonic/good old Israel/Benji/Frank has used on various websites.

sonic:

There used to be this strange old woman on our street, she used to gibber on and on, any old made up nonsense. Finally I had enough and decided just to ignore her.

I wonder if she thought she had won an intellectual contest of some kind, thought she had exposed something?

Sadly, yes.

llew:

A suggestion DPF – we have one Sonic thread per day, all the odd & obsessed people can then comment away in that thread, anything they like, so long as it’s about Sonic & involves highly unlikely contortions & practises. And whatever else it is that floats their boats.

The rest of us can ignore that thread.

Grant ( a new one):

Wow Chicken Little, what an honour… Ignored forever by Sonic. At least it’s a start. With any luck he’ll ignore everyone who posts on this blog.

PaulL:

IIew – I’m all for that, so long as Sonic also posts there. Save me lots of skipping.

Captain Crab:

That wasnt your mum by any chance sonic?
Please add me to your list too.Plunk isnt it.
thanks

phil u:

conversation with a parliamentary hack…

me:..so..how is key doing in parliament..?

hack:..it’s a bloody joke mate..he an embarrassment..

me:..how’s that..?

hack..well..for a start he’s never there..

and if he is there he does nothing..

me:..what do you mean by nothing..?

hack..he dosen’t mount any attacks on the government..

other nats do that for him..

i mean..he’s only bloody asked about about twelve questions..!

and not just this year or anything..!…but since he’s been leader of national..!..un-blooody-believable..eh..?

but you can understand why…

cos’ when he does muster the testicular fortitude to stand up and have a go..

cullen and clark just monster him..eh..?

me:..what do you mean..?

hack:..key usually only gets one line out..then ends up getting his dues from either clark or cullen and sits down..blushing and embarrassed..performance over..(!)

longtime parliamentarians say they haven’t seen such an imbalance in parliamentary skills between party leaders…

..since muldoon used to have (the hapless) bill rowling for lunch..every day..

me:..so you are saying john key in parliament is nationals’ bill rowling..?

hack:..pretty much..yeah..!

me:..i’m going to blog this..!

hack:..don’t mention my name..!

me:..as always..your ramblings are safe with me…

phil(whoar.co.nz)

Guz:

Sonic, IIRC, the BDSM crowd floated a name of a possible source for Wishart’s story literally two hours after it broke.

Now I’m no Einstein, but if the story was explicit enough to name names, dates, places and body parts with photos, yet totally fictitious as we are led to believe by these people, then which part of the story made them instantly know it was that particular woman who was the source.

Unless of course, by a process of elimination, the other three or four people intimately involved with DBP knew they hadn’t talked, and the woman was the only other possibility.

I’ll wager they were hoping that her credibility might be a deterrent, but given that they were people who painted swastikas on their penises I’m not sure their own cred was that crash hot either.

The media may not have touched it because it was too murky to sort out, but I’d bet 1,000 spanks that the reason DBP hasn’t sued is because not only is the story true, but a denial could end up with a court case and evidence that he did the deed with the source in question which – given her record, might be even more embarassing for DBP.

Trog:

Go Sonic! People react to the amount of threat they perceive – they just can’t ignore you, You must make some sense.

Compare D4J, Whaleoil, Side Show Bob – mildly amusing, mildly rational, mildly irritating but wholely forgettable.

ChickenLittle:

There ya go Sonic – Trog and llew think you’re great. I’m sure phule will be coming to your defence soon too.

Must be great to be validated

Inventory2:

His only denial at the time was a jovial “ha ha, I’m far too busy for that kind of thing – just look at my diary.” However, the Wishart article certainly established another “prima-facie” case against DBP! Wishart may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but I don’t believe he would be so naive as to go public with such an “outing” if he didn’t have the evidence to support him, yet there’s never been any mention of litigation.

Oh yes, didn’t DBP have time on his hands while the police were investigating him? Hmmmmmmm

james cairney:

Rumpole

The papers you mention come nowhere near the depths of sleaze of Investigate.

Further, DBP does not need to answer ‘allegations’ pertaining to his private life, neither does Don Brash, not to you, not to Investigate, nor to any other sheet sniffing pervert for that matter.

Whether there is truth to any private matter or not is none of your nor any other perverts god-damn business. And, anyone that trades in it (ie you) loses credibility for any future complaint about any one else “lowering the standard”, grow up.

sonic:

What I’ve heard (and I’m not going to get into specifics here) is that when the other media outlets looked into the story and found out the history, particularly the criminal record, of Investigate’s source, they realised that any attempt to repeat the story would backfire big time.

You may also have noticed that Mr Wishart himself has not followed up the tale.

It is a shame to see DPF still using hints and inuendo to try an keep the water cooling gossip alive, but this story has as much legs left as the Monty Python parrot.

kiwi_donkey:

Don’t forget. DBP was involved in raising Don Brash’s ‘alleged’ affair in parliament. And in fronting the civil union campaign because he was straight. Add to that his history of inappropriate behavior and deceitp of parliament.

The main charges against him, in my mind, are gross hypocrisy and deceiving parliament.

Fred:

Or alternatively…..the weasel is your garden variety NZ lefty that gets pointed at.

Scott:

Say what you like about Wishart but lets remember he has done more work in keeping the government on its toes and exposing governmental failure than the entire press gallery combined

Murray:

How many times has Wishart been sued for defamation?

What about Dear Leader?

Well damn, THATS telling isn’t it.

james cairney:

Scott, you clearly have a warped sense of ‘governmental failure’ if you rate smears about peoples private lives over such f***ups as the corrections department etc.

Inventory2. Failure to sue for defamation is irrelevant, because 1. the allegations were not especially damaging, apart from to the credibility of him who made them, 2. defamation is expensive, and qualified privilege applies, that is, even if untrue there are no guarantees. And even so, even if true, only nose picking perverts (such as on display here), would actually care.

For any conclusion to be drawn on failure to sue from a politician, the allegation would have to be extremely serious and equally damning as well as possibly career damaging, or else it would simply not be worth it.

Inventory2:

Jmaes Cairney says “DBP does not need to answer ‘allegations’ pertaining to his private life, neither does Don Brash, not to you, not to Investigate, nor to any other sheet sniffing pervert for that matter.

Whether there is truth to any private matter or not is none of your nor any other perverts god-damn business. And, anyone that trades in it (ie you) loses credibility for any future complaint about any one else “lowering the standard”, grow up.”

DBP is the Minister for Social Development. One of his key responsibilities is the welfare of the children of New Zealand. I know that we have minimised and normalised a lot of things in the term of this government, but I suggest that a significant majority of New Zealanders would have deep concerns about the appropriateness or fitness for the role of Minister for Social Development of any person who practised BDSM to the extent that DBP was alleged to have done. However, the MSM has ensured that the vast majority of New Zealanders is blissfully unaware.

sonic:

Inventory, if it were true it is a huge story, ask yourself why no-one wants to touch it?

Peter S:

james cairney,

I completely disagree.

Benson Pope had a prima facie case against him for tying up a student & forcing a tennis ball into his mouth.

Benson Pope also faces allegations that he derives sexual pleasure from bondage and discipline.

In the light of the second allegation the first allegation takes on a new and even more sinister light.

Had the 2nd allegation come to light at the time the police were investigating the first it is highly unlikely that the police would have been able to get away with not bringing a criminal prosecution.

As inventory2 points out to have this same person holding the position of Misister for Social Development without challenge is at least a sick joke, but more likely a complete travesty.

james cairney:

Inventory2, you anonymous loser, people’s private lives are just that, private.

“However, the MSM has ensured that the vast majority of New Zealanders is blissfully unaware.” It is not a fucking conspiracy theory you moon-bat freak. Nobody apart from snotty-nose socially-challenged pimple-faced (male) office tories actually give a shit about what people do in private.

“I suggest that a significant majority of New Zealanders would have deep concerns about the appropriateness” You sad pompous tosser with your ‘moral high ground’ bull shit. Go and cry yourself to sleep as the world changes all around you.

Peter S, an assault does not become an indecent assault by the fact of the person committing it ‘secretly getting some weird satisfaction’, so no, (even if true) it would be irrelevant to prosecuting a prima facie case.

Inventory2:

Careful James, you’ll do yourself a mischief!

GPT:

Sonic, TomS etc – be fair , given the history with DBP it is bloody funny that he is fronting on this issue.

Shout Above The Noise:

You touched a raw nerve there Inventory2 ! Isn’t it nice when social-liberals lose it and expose those intolerances and phobias of their own?

Well done.

Peter S:

“Peter S, an assault does not become an indecent assault by the fact of the person committing it ‘secretly getting some weird satisfaction’, so no, (even if true) it would be irrelevant to prosecuting a prima facie case.”

It would certainly have had an effect on the consideration of whether or not a prosecution was in the public interest.

I also disagree about the nature of the assault, because it speaks about a pattern of behaviour. Put it this way, if it had ended up in court, and the BDSM allegations had come to light, you can bet that they would have come up in court.

Judging by the reactions of anyone I have made aware of the allegations, 99% of people in the country do not know about the allegations, and they react with a mixture of horror and amusement, because it appears that most do see a significant connection between the allegations.

Judging by your “snotty-nose socially-challenged pimple-faced (male) office tories” comment, I’d be pretty safe in considering you belong to the rabid left, which is probably why you pretend there is no connection and no significance.

I suspect that, as Labour continues to fall in the polls, and with that their influence in the press wanes, then, in the approach to the election some news agencies will suddenly “discover” this story, and find it very relevent.

Shout Above The Noise:

Incidentally, Ian Wishart makes the claim about Panty Slut Boy in his latest book.

The ‘behind closed doors, consenting adults’ hooplah is the default response offered up by the liberal Left when some of their kinkier tolerances or practices are exposed.

As many will recall, the liberal Left didn’t apply the same ‘closed door, consenting’ argument to Don Brash over the Diane Foreman affair – in fact Sonic created a blog site dedicated to the subject.

http://donbrashrumours.blogspot.com/

Chuck Bird:

The issue over Benson-Pope is more than just a rumour. It is obvious there is political interference with the police. The police will not prosecute a Labour MP even though there is a prima facie case.

If my child was bullied by a teacher because the teacher just because took a dislike he to a dislike to him or her I would be concerned. However, if my child was bullied by a teacher and there were persistent allegations that the teacher was a sexual deviant I would be more that a little concerned.

The excuse given for Benson-Pope not suing Wishart is that can’t be bothered. That is a bit weak. Ian Wishart has had numerous goes at Labour and Labour MPs including Helen Clark. He has made inferences about her husband. If Clark thought Investigate could be shut down by suing Wishart I am sure Labour would fund the lawyers. The fact that there is no law suit against Wishart and not even a denial as well the allegations of him perving on young girls says he should have nothing to do with children.

If National had of been on the ball they would have taken a private prosecution against DBP on behave of the former students he abused. I do not understand why they did not do so against Clark either.

Murray:

So james we make allegations about Don Brashs private life… why?

You guys are just flailing wildly now like the lost in space robot.

At least its entertaining.

Lucyna:

I always thought that people’s private lives gave insight into their character. No wonder there’s a group of people that are constantly shouting that private lives ought to be no go zones.

james cairney:

Peter S, “I’d be pretty safe in considering you belong to the rabid left, which is probably why you pretend there is no connection and no significance.”

I am part of no particular grouping, as such my comments go to private pying about Brash as well as DBP, it is the issue of private invasions that pisses me off. I have no loyalty to the Government. So no, my opinion contains no motive (of course for you to be consistent, you would have had to of roasted Don Brash, so are you as consistent as me?).

As I see it however, it is almost always to be the same dorky office loser types who couldn’t shut up about Clinton’s blow job (calling it all manner of corruption). That was fucking lame, and so is this. I cannot recall a thread such as this (with as many individual posters)on any left wing blog about a right wing politican, in fact most of the left wing bloggers tend to disown this crap in favour of peoples privacy. As you consider me ‘left wing’ I can point to myself as evidence of that with my stated opinion over the Brash ‘affair’ allegations.

If you are at all interested, I have little respect for DBP, nor do I particularly like his politics. I thought there was enough evidence for a trial against him although I understood the decision not to prosecute on the grounds of historical and potentially politically motivated evidence. Had the same evidence come to light shortly after the tennis ball incident (as opposed to years later) he should have been charged. Historical charges, if laid at all, are nearly always for very serious offences, his alleged offence was insufficient in the seriousness stakes to warrant historical charges. I trust you understand this and the obvious problems though Peter.

And no, the Investigate ‘rumours’ would not have got close to any trial r.e the tennis ball. They are irrelevant -in law-.

Paul Marsden:

james cairney said: Inventory2, you anonymous loser, people’s private lives are just that, private.

Not when they enter parliament and become servants of the people, responsible for creating and passing law. If they cant handle the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. I have no sympathy for any MP (most of whom are liars), who may get their skeletons rattled. Stiff cheese!

chiz:

Peter S:Benson Pope had a prima facie case against him for tying up a student & forcing a tennis ball into his mouth

When the police report came out I heard a report on the radio that, somewhere in the report, the alleged tennis ball victim had apparently also claimed that he had placed the tennis ball in his own mouth. It sounded as though his memory was a little confused. Certainly some of the kids in the same class don’t recall the incident ever happening.

james cairney:

Fair enough Paul, at least you call it as you see it.

I simply fail to see how private consensual behaviour of any description is anyone else’s business, regardless of your profession.

However half of the posters on this thread were up in arms about ‘Labour digging up private shit’ over Brash. It is either open slather or it isn’t, and these losers want a bob each way. The hypocricy on this thread by certain right wing posters is totally mind-blowing, please tell me the reasonable right wingers are not blind to it?

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