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Commentary on the Police name and shame Blog.

Posted by watchingcyfswatchnewzealand on March 16, 2007

As posted on CYFSWATCH NZ

Commentary on the Police name and shame Blog.
Thursday, 15.03.2007, 10:35pm (GMT12)

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Source: www.kiwiblog.co.nz

Police Watch Blog

The Press has an article on the Police Watch Blog someone has set up. It seems to be the work of one person with a very specific complaint.

I’m quoted in the article saying much the same as I did with CYFS Watch. I did make the point that I did not think Google had grounds to remove the blog as defamation alone is not something they will usually act on. I did say, as reported, that it would be far more useful if these sort of scrutiny blogs (which are good in concept) actually backed up allegations with some evidence. For instance a police watch blog linking to news stories of cops censored by the PCA or charged with offences would be quite a different thing.

I should be on National Radio today at around 4.20 pm discussing the issue also.

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Comments (38)

Go for it:

What is the blog address?

dad4justice:

Am I allowed to post the blog address David F ?

gustav:

Isn’t the term ‘censured’ not ‘censored’?

cubit9f:

I would rather make a complaint on behalf of the Police. The antics of TVNZ hiding under some self designed media privelege guise should be thoroughly ashamed of their little effort with regard to the fugitive Clark.

I also thought it a bit cute that TVNZ would not appear on Morning Report to explain. Funny how they demand any other person or organisation of interest to front up and explain.

The whole episode was appalling and does to raise the abysmally low reputation of TVNZ.

They have been dining out on parole boards, correction dept and the police but what do they do. Pull a Mickey mouse stunt to try and make the police look stupid. Aiding and abeting a fugitive perhaps might be a way to pursue the matter.

cubit9f:

I would rather make a complaint on behalf of the Police. The antics of TVNZ hiding under some self designed media privelege guise should be thoroughly ashamed of their little effort with regard to the fugitive Clark.

I also thought it a bit cute that TVNZ would not appear on Morning Report to explain. Funny how they demand any other person or organisation of interest to front up and explain.

The whole episode was appalling and does little to raise the abysmally low reputation of TVNZ.

They have been dining out on parole boards, the correction dept and the police but what do they do. Pull a Mickey mouse stunt to try and make the police look stupid. Aiding and abetting a fugitive perhaps might be a way to pursue the matter.

Rex Widerstrom:

There seems to be a few of these sites around and – at the risk of initiating another flurry of correspondence with Jack from bentcops.org I agree with you 100% DPF – such sites have an invaluable role to perform but they have to be very careful to maintain their credibility – moreso, in fact, than say a newspaper site.

One of the police officers named on the site has already sneered that he’s unconcerned because “the only people who will get into these sites are people with an axe to grind and 99 per cent of the population will pay them no attention”.

In fact what happens is that the public – made curious by news reports – visit the site once and make an instant assessement of its credibility. If it’s found wanting, they don’t return.

If the site reads, in any part, like the unsubstantiated rantings of someone with an axe to grind (regardless of whether their case is valid), readers won’t return.

An example of how to present a single case coherently and with supporting information can be found on the blog of the woman attacked by a dog in Wanganui who found that, because the owner was a mate of Mayor Michael Laws, the council was suddenly uninterested in enforcing its dog bylaw. Or even the LawsWatch site itself which quotes external sources and links to them rather than simply ranting against their target.

I hope this new blog isn’t ignored because at its core is possibly a valid complaint. After all, it’s a bit rich for Canterbury district commander Supt. Sandra Manderson to call it “totally inappropriate” and defamatory when back in 2002 she was crowing about how the arrest of a corrupt Christchurch detective proved how squeaky clean the force was.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/123193

Go for it:

Dad for justice can you send the address here

swingingpendulum@hotmail.com

Rex Widerstrom:

There seems to be a few of these sites around and – at the risk of initiating another flurry of correspondence with Jack from bentcops.org I agree with you 100% DPF – such sites have an invaluable role to perform but they have to be very careful to maintain their credibility – moreso, in fact, than say a newspaper site.

One of the police officers named on the site has already sneered that he’s unconcerned because “the only people who will get into these sites are people with an axe to grind and 99 per cent of the population will pay them no attention”.

In fact what happens is that the public – made curious by news reports – visit the site once and make an instant assessement of its credibility. If it’s found wanting, they don’t return.

If the site reads, in any part, like the unsubstantiated rantings of someone with an axe to grind (regardless of whether their case is valid), readers won’t return.

An example of how to present a single case coherently and with supporting information can be found on the blog of the woman attacked by a dog in Wanganui who found that, because the owner was a mate of Mayor Michael Laws, the council was suddenly uninterested in enforcing its dog bylaw. Or even the LawsWatch site itself which quotes external sources and links to them rather than simply ranting against their target.

I hope this new blog isn’t ignored because at its core is possibly a valid complaint. After all, it’s a bit rich for Canterbury district commander Supt. Sandra Manderson to call it “totally inappropriate” and defamatory when back in 2002 she was crowing about how the arrest of a corrupt Christchurch detective proved how squeaky clean the force was.

ross:

> The antics of TVNZ hiding under some self designed media privelege guise should be thoroughly ashamed of their little effort with regard to the fugitive Clark.

IMO Helen gets far too much media coverage.

ross:

Are you referring to http://policewatch-nz.blogspot.com?

David Farrar:

Ross – that is actually a different site to the one profiled by The Press. Sort of shows that without publicity so few people know they are there.

If anyone posts the URL as a comment, I won’t delete it. To be honest I can’t recall it myself. The Press gave it to me last night but I did not bookmark it.

ross:

So you haven’t actually looked at the site but you just wish it had some evidence of corruption. How would you know what it says if you haven’t looked at it?

dad4justice:

I don’t think this is the one or is Kim Thomas telling lies again ? http://www.factfiles.org.nz

Go for it:

Pretty sure it is not the one D4J as I know the person running it and nothing on this site is unsubstantiated, believe me I have seen the paperwork.

dad4justice:

WOW go for it – we have a culture of corrupt dirty low life pigs – what a disgrace !!!!Blue gun thugs make me sick !!! Police integrity lies in the puss riden gutter !!!

Murray:

Hey d4j well done you got banned from my site without going there.

Eventually you’ll work out you’ve managed to alienate every potential ally all on your own.

Inventory2:

There’s also http://www.bentcops.org/home/

Inventory2:

Whoops – hit the post button too fast. This one seems to be one guy’s beef against one particular cop which has got out of hand. Oh, the power of the internet lol

Mr I.P .Freely:

HEY you bad tempered shits ,get a life, these are ownly posters thoughts , they arnt the holly grail, , shit ,im a bad tempered tossier , people have told me , Hate sexless opps BARREN females like our leader , but if all fails (david farrar) could organise a boxing match in a good bar somewhere

iguana:

“Hey d4j well done you got banned from my site without going there.”

that’s gotta hurt.

iwikiwi:

WOW ,a new hate site,(its getting better)

gd:

The big problem is we have had whistle blowing laws since 1999 and guess what Not one person has availed themselves of this avenue. Now this seither we live in a totally corrupt free society or that there isnt a lot of confidence in the process.

Contrast this with Australia. Yes Yes I can here the hysterical comments already. Fact is NZ is by no means a perfect society but even more disturbing is the see no evil hear no evil attitude of government agencies and professional bodies who have their heads in the sand.

Until we get some open governance instead of the secret society stuff we have now then some people are going to use websites as their means of communicating

And for me the really sad thing is the genuime cases are going to be buried with the fruit loops and all will be ignored to the detriment of society.

dad4justice:

Murray writes – “Hey d4j well done you got banned from my site without going there.
Eventually you’ll work out you’ve managed to alienate every potential ally all on your own.”

If you knew my story then I would suggest you would understand my justified anger against the filth that parade as respectable police officers. My lovely partner Gladys has permanent hip injury because some meathead from Ashburton and 4 of his scumbag mates decided to travel outta their jurisdiction to assault me, then my lady, in front of her two terrified teenage daughters two days before Christmas. I don’t need no sympathy and I certainty don’t need limp dicks who promote themselves as an ally. I thought you were a soldier mate – were you a cook? Don’t slag me until you know the facts boy!
Funny how cops can’t look me in the eye now? At least the Families Commissioner can see whats going on, whether that makes any difference is the million question?

As for the ” that’s gotta hurt comment” Yeah right how many times in the last 5 years have you had the crap beaten outta you by cops and prisoners mate !!! Don’t answer I don’t care .

Don’t give in without a fight and to hell with what anyone else thinks !!!

Jack Van Der Lubbe:

Hehe Rex it’s all good, I got over 1000 extra hits today, might even make that related info site. Woohoo!

Go for it:

Does anyone know the names of the cops posted on the site?
It must be a well guarded secret as the site has not been exposed yet.

dad4justice:

Murray do you know what it’s like being thrown into a van of prisoners after you have been to court who have all been told you’re a kid fucker by the filthy cops . Its fun to the pigs . No I guess you wouldn’t. Oh well I tell you just in case you don’t understand when you get to your destination it’s always a hospital! I wrote to Minister of Corrections not long after Liam Ashley died saying this is not a isolated incident but I got fobbed off again, however at least the deranged maniacs didn’t murder me, however they did try their dam best. My repressed anger could flatten David Tua and Mike Tyson in 10 seconds if it was unleashed.

Murray:

I have read your story and I have defended you for being angry. I’m surprised I’d need to remind you as you commented on one of those posts. I don’t however, sit back and let you bad mouth an entire profession when many of my friends are members of that profession.

Dial back your perpetual abusive language or being angry will be all you have.

I certainly wont be hosting your abuse of people who are both personal friends and regular readers.

dad4justice:

Do you what you want Murray as I couldn’t give a dam about your blog or whatever, I can’t even remember what is called?? Do you really think I care about whatever you and your friends think .I am thankful my grand dad got angry when he had to go over the top in WW1.

JohnDalley:

zzzzzz

Paula Weir:

Fine have these websites, but only mention what you have concrete evidence to back, and what you are prepared to go publicly with.
If you can’t say it to the named persons face, then do not publish it on a site without reference to where it came from.

dad4justice:

It does make one doubt whether there is a website, as David F can’t remember and Kim Thomas will not reply to various requests from several people as to it’s identity, and the TV coverage was very evasive unlike the cyfswatch saga?

Go for it:

Reckon you are right D4J. The Canterbury police have a lot to hide I suppose. Maybe there are some that realise they have well over stepped the mark, and have allowed false accusers and vagabonds to get away with perjury and manipulating the system.

dad4justice:

Big brother controls all – eh ? How low will the system go to protect itself ? Tom Lewis was so right about the police in this country .

Mrs Disgusted:

Hey d4j well done you got banned from my site without going there. Eventually you’ll work out you’ve managed to alienate every potential ally all on your own.
Posted by Murray | March 15, 2007 4:16 PM

Murray do you know what it’s like being thrown into a van of prisoners after you have been to court who have all been told you’re a kid fucker by the filthy cops . Its fun to the pigs . No I guess you wouldn’t. Oh well I tell you just in case you don’t understand when you get to your destination it’s always a hospital! I wrote to Minister of Corrections not long after Liam Ashley died saying this is not a isolated incident but I got fobbed off again, however at least the deranged maniacs didn’t murder me, however they did try their dam best. My repressed anger could flatten David Tua and Mike Tyson in 10 seconds if it was unleashed.
Posted by dad4justice | March 15, 2007 5:30 PM

Dad4Justice aka PETER BURNS: sue the police if you feel they’re wronged you, but spare us your incoherent ramblings. And please do take on David Tua or Mike Tyson – unleash that anger for all of 3 seconds – we could do with a bit of entertainment.

Paula Weir:

Mrs Disgusted you can criticise when you at least are honest enough to post under your own name.

dad4justice:

Mrs Disgusted you make me laugh as you are a gutless jellyfish . The name is Peter Joseph Burns , you know where I live, don’t you – as you were probably the maggot that recently poisoned my pet dog – or were you the sneeky cretin who smashed my car parked up the drive just the other week ? Come around again but do watch out for the claymores set around the place.

It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong .

What was that cops website’s name again ?

dad4justice:

Mrs Disgusted do you know what happened to Inspecter Doyle ? Talk about corruption !!!

No I didn’t think so , but you will be very disgusted when it becomes common knowledge .

Hate to put it up here as I would be gone by breakfast – eh Sandra

dad4justice:

Not to mention the Hagley Park incident – hell what will the world think when they get to hear of that story dear Sandra .Oh my , my poor Mrs Disgusted will not enjoy her champagne that day !!

What was that cops website again ?

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